If a game that uses a type of menu system is your best example then good lawd.

I didn’t say it was terrible for every game ever, but the vast majority of games on the Wii are terrible because the lack of buttons. Games which would have been decent enough if they had access to more buttons. Instead they had to regulate simple commands to waggle.

That’s forcing their hand to not make games on the system, due to factors completely out of their control and fully in Nintendo’s control.

Nintendo chose to make a gimmick the focus, at the sacrifice of traditional control methods.

It still should’ve had CCPRO buttons instead of forcing ppl to use the Wiimote sideways.

In Kirby’s Return to Dreamland, you play with the Wiimote sideways, the only motion control is optional and is the Super Inhale ability (shaking the controller), which you can alternatively wiggle the dpad around to do, not forced.

They are not and were not forced. If developers don’t want to make a game for a different hardware spec and a different means of input, they don’t have to. And they didn’t. So the Wii died, and creativity with it. In the age of mediocre multiplats where devs just shit out games with Xbox button prompts onto Windows it’s easy to say that “developers were forced” just because they wanted to take the easy way out when it came to making games. The truth is they weren’t. They chose to put half-hearted control schemes into their games. Nintendo never held a zapper to their heads with motion controls.

The Wii is a fantastic example of “proof of concept”. There were games that showed that you could have a first-person shooter that controlled well with the Wii remote. You could have a good platformer with the Wii remote. You could have an action game, an RPG, whatever the hell you wanted. The reason why there weren’t more of these? A combination of factors, but it’s got nothing to do with the button count on the controller, per se. The problem was that many of the games weren’t designed to work well with the primary means of input. If you actually decided to put effort into deciding how your game worked, the results were about as good as they could be. Granted, they weren’t perfect, but we’re talking about a control paradigm that was and still is in its infancy. Look back to when analog sticks on console gamepads first became really popular — can you say that they worked perfectly, or that the developers knew how to fully take advantage of the new control mechanisms?

To assert that the Wii was a restrictive system to develop for because its primary input lacked “a way of doing basic things” due to having less buttons is completely, hopelessly asinine.

I don’t remember Xenoblade having NES-levels of simplicity or forced waggle.

And it worked nice for some games like Galaxy.

They are forced.

Lack of buttons creates a necessary need to create some other way to do basic things. That any other controller would have been fine with doing. Thus, waggle.

Now if the Wii had come with a Classic Controller as well as a Wiimote, then it wouldn’t have been forced. But you can’t expect a developer to REQUIRE the use of a controller that doesn’t come with the system. That cuts down the bajillion Wii owners to Wii owners who also own a CC for whatever reason.

They could have supported it, but that still would require you to force in some shitty wiimote controls for everyone else who doesn’t play it with the CC. And that would still require extra development just to get a basic game.

DS didn’t have a lack of buttons. It still had enough to work the typical game. The Wiimote doesn’t. Unless the game is NES in simplicity. Anything more and waggle that shit like it’s nobody’s business.

And people would be pissed, since it was supposed to be on the Wii originally.

These kinds of statements are so pointless. Particularly coming from someone who is bias (ie; works at the company, works on the game, etc)

edit; lolnegativethumb Nothing I said was bad. It was true. Besides, I’ll be buying Pikmin 3 before I get the Wii U itself just to support the series.

Yeah, they could’ve fooled me too, I didn’t get Kirby’s Dreamland Wii because of the forced motion controls, what is so hard about letting me just use my CCPro buttons?!
I didn’t get a lot of Wii games that should’ve had optional CCPro Buttons, both 1st and 3rd Party games, and I’m glad for it.
This last part isn’t aimed at you, it’s aimed at people trying to damage control.
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Obviously this doesn’t include games like No More Heroes 1 or Wii Sports Resort, which I loved, so don’t give me that “you missed out on a lot of games” bs that some people love to say. “

Since when does Nintendo force anything on developers?

“Forced” is a word with particular implications. Nobody forced developers to implement terrible motion controls in their Wii games except out of the necessity that Wii games use Wii controllers in the first place.

Developers didn’t like that, and so the majority of them decided to stick with generic, homogenized experiences for other consoles, among other reasons.

After the initial launch hype and newness factor wore off, we began to see more and more DS games that didn’t actually use the touch screen in new and unique ways, either. And that was perfectly fine, because not every game should use it. But it *is* there for games that do use it, and having it as part of the hardware by default makes it much more approachable by both developers and consumers. If the Wii remote was an optional add-on, it would never nearly have been as popular; it would have turned out like the Kinect or PS Move: completely and utterly ignorable.

The same goes for any so-called “gimmicks” Nintendo puts into their hardware these days. Nintendo purposefully puts out underpowered hardware for the sake of reliability and cost-effectiveness to both the manufacturing process and the end-consumer; they need something to hook people into wanting their systems and if they just throw out stupidly and inefficiently powerful hardware like Sony and Microsoft do they would be fighting an uphill battle against them.

What do you expect to happen when you turn the Wii U on? The gamepad is the system’s primary controller. If you can use the Wii U entirely without it, what would be its purpose? Why would anybody buy or use it? Why would any game implement gamepad features without the guarantee that every Wii U owner would use one?

See: Circle Pad Pro.

how, pray tell?

It could’ve been a 3DS title. Luigi’s Mansion 2, for example, is a sequel to a console game, and it’s on 3DS rather than Wii U.