Seems they took your words into account, with the new Xplay feature they’ve announced at this year’s GamesCon, soon to be implemented :)

I’d love to see a localized version of Time Travelers but I highly doubt it. It sold poorly in Japan (WTF Japanese gamers, where’s your taste?!), it even sold less on 3DS (huge install base, main promotion platform in Japan) than on Vita and let’s not even mention PSP sales, which is very worrisome. 
The game is extremely text-heavy and features hours of voiced dialogue (played the Japanese demo, it’s awesome). Hardly any localization company would fund a project that sold that poorly in a country where this genre is usually popular. The other problem are voice actors. My experience with localization (as a consumer, at least) is that the contracted company wants to get rid of Japanese voice actors or must at least include English ones as well. 
This is gonna get expensive and quality will certainly suffer as the original VAs are stellar. 

Tokushu Houdoubu is probably gonna remain a Japan exclusive as well for the very same reasons. But well, NISA localized Mugen Souls, albeit in a censored version, so there’s hoping that unique Vita game will cross the pond, as it’s exactly what the doc ordered for Vita’s current games drought in the west.

The dilemma with Vita games is that some of the most unique ones are gonna stay in Japan for a very long time as localization would take lots of time and resources as nobody even considers that the target audience would probably enjoy an English subbed version with Japanese VAs than a longer-in-the-making fully localized version with half-assed English VAs. 
Excellent English VOs like Persona 4 Golden, MGS and Catherine are still few and far between.

It’s mostly for the fans, of course. =P

For fans, an expansion pack back in the day was a pretty big deal and I think it still is now, even if they aren’t really called expansion packs these days.

Did a console game that wasn’t like an MMO ever get an expansion pack? I honestly don’t remember. You should know that Japan has been doing these re-releases for years, In fact, I’m sure you are quite familiar with that.

My point is, this is not anything new that is only being done these days this has been going on in the industry for years now. The main difference is… publishers used to just wait and bring the complete version to the west, or the upgraded version never made it outside of Japan at all.

As a fan, I’ll gladly take this upgraded Persona 4 with new content versus not getting to play it at all. For me, it’s enough to save up and go buy a Vita. For many, that isn’t enough, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. ^^

I think early on, Ys actually came out more in europe than it did in the US. That changed when Falcom licensed to Xseed though, and suddenly we’re getting tons of Ys games for the PSP and PC.

I’m looking forward to Ragnarok too. I played the MMO when it was in alpha, but never went back to it later on.  

Thanks for the nice conversation. :)

Yes quite a bit = upgraded and that’s what I said xD.

What was considered an expansion pack few years back is considered today as “omg so much new content it’s a completely new game!” today.

This just shows how little effort is put into making games exciting even after their release.

Good Points, its people like you and Zero that make this site even more enjoyable.

Well ragnarok game is something new, old ip but that was a MMORPG before, now epic hack and slash so I count that as something new and exciting because everything is changed.

True about YS games, you got me there :p but being European I didn’t get to experience many YS games -_- yeah most stuff back in the day that was jrpg was jp/us only.

Anyways thanks for the reply this conversation is done but it’s just funny how 3 games is enough for you for getting a vita, just like I said before there are 3-4 games that are worth getting on vita.

In the end it’s all about: how many games are enough for you to buy the vita for.

But the fact remains, majority of vita games are remakes or upgraded version of existing games, Imo I rather have more new games for a new handheld that just came out, keep remakes but not so many.

I agree there. Ive been looking at all the ports and one in the top is particularly interesting cos it seems to have no use atm. I really hope its added as its the main reason I haven’t replaced my aging PSP yet with a less broken one. Then I really WOULD rebuy most of my collection.

I’m thinking that its absence is only temporary. There’s way too many pins on that bottom connector for just what they’re using right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s HDMI signals floating around there somewhere that they would just need to enable through firmware.

Until then, most of the videos I’ve seen have been people using cameras. Awkward, but workable. 

I wished Id had the foresight to do the same. But im kinda attached to the whole ownership thing. I like to hold my things. I want them there physically. So I didnt. Now I regret it cos I could be restarting Gods Eater Burst right now, but I bought that at release at £30, I dont wanna spend another £8 just to download it. Though thats a decent price, its the principle of the matter.

The other thing is, I cant stream my gaming footage on a Vita. I love streaming my PSP games. Its so easy. But Vita didnt get a Video Out feature, so thats gone too. ;_;

Oh and Remote Play is still a joke. And probably always will be.

I only spent maybe 30 hours with Uncharted. Finished it 3 times, normal/hard/crushing. I normally start uncharted games on Easy, but I’d played U3 recently so I figured I could start on Normal this time. Then finished all the bounties (which were probably the worst trophies that an uncharted game has ever inflicted on me. The key for all but the gem trophies is to find an area that can be easily restarted and has high enemy density. The 50 cal machine gun levels proved helpful in this regard in places. You shoot 15-20 enemies then hit the restart checkpoint button. It was still atrocious though.)

That could be another part of it, yes. When the PSP Go was released, I didn’t go out and buy the darn thing, but I did see the writing on the wall and started to repurchase my entire library from PSN as they went on sales at various points in the last few years, and traded in the UMDs as I went. Thus, I have a huge library of PSP games on it, and am in no danger of running out of games for my Vita in the next 2 years. The only reason I would have to get another PSP at this point is to finish the 5 UMD games I have that were never released for download.

Well I work about 10-20 hours less than you but everyone plays at different paces. Ive always finished games quite quickly. I played Uncharted: GA twice through (Hard and Crushing) and several repeats of levels for Bounty Farming and dying in places. Its a short, fairly easy game. I almost have a Platinum but Im bored so Ive put it aside.

As for Wipeout, the single player and multiplayer modes are relatively easy to play through once, but after getting an Elite Pass in most of the single player I got kinda bored with the lack of arena’s and the very limyed music, I was very glad I could play my own. And as I said, with the others I only really play them for half an hour or so each every now and then. Everybody’s Golf is nice, Motorstorm is full of bugs and SSDD just wasnt really for me.

Im just not very attached to my Vita is all. If i’d bought all my PSP games via PSN I’d be fine, I’d still have loads to play. And it wouldn’t sit there gathering dust. Thats not to say I dont like my Vita. I love it. Id just like Sony and outside developers to show it a bit more love is all. Its been 6 months for the US and EU. I dont want to see more announcements of RPG’s being made for the PSP. I want to see it for Vita.

None of this is stopping me getting my limited edition one though. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f is out on the 30th and I get my copy alongside the limited Vita just after Christmas when my friend brings it home with them. :DOnce that game is in my hands, I will never complain about Vita’s games ever again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWqDPcrretw&feature=g-u-u

I know that, of course. Most of those games he mentions have significant alterations from the originals, some are even whole new games just in the same universe. Just approaching it from his angle. ;)

For the record, Persona 4 Golden features quite a bit of changes from the original game. http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_4_Golden

One of the main reasons I’ll be buying it. I did everything in the original game, back when I completed it on the PS2.

I tend to work 52-60 hours a week, so I have very little time to play games at all. It took me until now to completely finish Uncharted, and I bought that back in March. That’s why it seems odd to me that you “spend all your time at work” but have already finished everything you have for the Vita.

The lack of platinum seeking may be the problem. Without that, most games last for maybe 6-8 hours. If I only played my games through once like that, I’d be out of PS2 and PS3 games to play as well, even with my limited schedule.

I’ve only ever imported one game for the PSP. I can’t even play that one now because it doesn’t work on the Vita… 

I generally prefer playing things on a portable system even if they’re available for a home console because about 70% of my gaming time is done away from the house. Before the Vita, it was about 65% DS, 5% GBA and 30% PSP, now it’s about 95% Vita and PSP games on Vita, and about 5% GBA. It’s completely absorbed most of my gaming time. It’s even eaten away at my PS3 time by a fair bit.

Demos are often a poor representation of a game. If I went on the demo alone, I would have never purchased Uncharted: Golden Abyss, and it turned out to be a great game.

In honesty, I really dont have all that much time to play. I may have more than you but I dont know that. I spend most of my time at work. 

As for PSP games, while its region free, I dont have many import titles and thus I dont have much to play on my PSP anyway cos the UK sucks and barely supported that either. All the games I wanted got as far as the US or stayed in Japan. And I dont want to hack it and I dont like spending more than £40 on an imported UMD.

But anyway that doesn’t solve my personal issue of not having much on the Vita to play. I dont play for Platinum’s so I dont have that to drive me and not many of the games that are out even interest me in the slightest. Playing the demo’s haven’t helped me decide much either and as Ive stated before, if its a game I can play on a home console, im not gonna get it on a portable one. I might rent it later on for Vita if I want to play it again though.

You’re tired of the same slightly upgraded stuff…

Yet you’re excited by Ragnarok, which is just another entry in an old IP… and Ys, which has about 8 iterations so far, and this is a remake of one of them, and a remade Tales game. I think you’re not upset about remakes as much as you don’t like the games that are being remade. 

Why play Disgaea 3 when Disgaea 4 is out? Because I’ve already finished Disgaea 4, and I haven’t finished Disgaea 3. Along with that, It’s impossible to take Disgaea 4 with me and play it in the car while waiting for my wife.

I want Persona 4 for the Vita because it’s another game I never managed to finish back on PS2. 

3 games was enough to get me to buy the Vita, and those 3 were Disgaea 3, Persona 4, and Gravity Rush… I’ve had plenty of fun with other remade games that I never played before, and sequels to PS2/PS3 series that I enjoy on the Vita. It’s been one of the best purchases I’ve ever made.

“We see reports and articles about it often, but gamers like to forget about it when discussing problems in the industry.”

That’s absolutely true, and is a little shame: sometimes, numbers can help you understand why some things in the industry happens, and others don’t, so I think it factors in the “what can be done to help it progress” part of my discussion.

Moving on (mind if i quote you?), PS Vita has great alternatives available now and scheduled for the future, the only gripe I have with Sony is how little they’re pushing it to the West. Soul Sacrifice has all it needs to blow Monster Hunter out of the water, and it should be marketed as such, people should be told about it. Especially the inclusion of online play is a huge deal in the US and Europe.

I’m glad that you’ve mentioned Y’s and Ragnarok, because those games are *perfect* fillers, and high quality ones too. That’s exactly why, a couple posts back, I said Sony should overtly help people like Game Arts, Spike or Q Entertainment in bringing their products out of Japan. There’s a huge breeding ground there, and no reason why its fruits should stay forever in the shadow of the Rising Sun.

We have Zero Escape crossing the Pacific, and this is a very encouraging sign to me. Let’s hope it’s not an isolated case, but the start of a rich and continuous trend at Sony.

Why play a litte upgraded version of Disgaea 3 on a small screen where you have a Disgaea 4 in HD! Redrawn character for the first time, something fans been waiting for, yes im a disgaea fan.

Dynasty warriors is a bad example as dynasty warriors games never change, and why buy “DW next” when you have 7/ XL and soon Empires = the ultimate version.

…Persona 4 is just a remake of already existing game “existing” nothing new unless you are person 4 fan and want more what 4 offered.

Going back to my point, in my eyes Vita only has 3-4 games so far that are either new and exciting games(worth getting a vita for)

Majority are remakes, upgraded versions of already existing games.

COD
AC
Tales of
Persona
Dynasty warriors
Uncharted
Wipeout
Disgaea
Blazblue

And the list goes on, I played almost every installment of the games I mentioned except of alot of tales of games(Europe), and there’s probably alot of people like me who are tired of the same just slightly upgrade stuff.

The positive stuff on vita are games like the new YS game, ragnarok game, the remade tales of game(Europe got almost no tales of games xD) Gravity rush.

I agree with that, I kinda hinted at it in my post below. I just wanted to touch on the business side of gaming. You make a great point, we see reports and articles about it often, but gamers like to forget about it when discussing problems in the industry. Like it shouldn’t factor into what games are published, or what projects developers should work on, etc.

Moving on -Don’t you think Soul Sacrifice is a nice alternative for Vita owners? What did you think about Gravity Rush? Ragnarok Odyssey, looks promising. Ys Celceta Sea of Trees (Slightly more established series) is hopefully going to be good as well. I think the Vita has some of those backing alternatives you speak of, at least they have some coming from Japan.